Orange frame sizes......

[abr303]

Hi, looking at frame sizes and does anyone have a comprehensive list of what models were made in what size and how they were measured.... ie centre to top/centre to centre?
Reason I ask I have an Elite and C16R and wondered if the geometry and sizing differs depending on frame material....
cheers.

 

[FluffyChicken]

Look in the catalogues, in the Archive and some new ones in the Forum section too.

Unfortunately, didn't get too far with the wiki yet.
https://www.retrobike.co.uk/wiki/OrangeMainly as I only had the Alu-O to go on.

Orange should be CtT (so seatube length from bb axle centre)
I think I had some update ready with references for that BUT no idea why they not there or where my brief is.
https://www.retrobike.co.uk/wiki/MTB_Frame_Measurement
Do you have the year of the C16, Elite the 1992 model, it'll be the same as the 1993 Alu-O I think.

Unless you have a late E series?

 

[abr303]

Look in the catalogues, in the Archive and some new ones in the Forum section too.

Unfortunately, didn't get too far with the wiki yet.
https://www.retrobike.co.uk/wiki/OrangeMainly as I only had the Alu-O to go on.

Orange should be CtT (so seatube length from bb axle centre)
I think I had some update ready with references for that BUT no idea why they not there or where my brief is.
https://www.retrobike.co.uk/wiki/MTB_Frame_Measurement
Do you have the year of the C16, Elite the 1992 model, it'll be the same as the 1993 Alu-O I think.

Unless you have a late E series?

The Elite is '92 and the C16r '96.... looked already in the archives and nothing conclusive apart from the P7 and E3.... some geometry info. I have an Elite but told it was a 17" though it measures 17'5" centre to centre and a tad over 19" centre to top so on your mention I'd say 19" then lol. The C16r 15.5" centre to centre, 17" centre to top.... P7 was listed in archives as available in 15,17,19 and 21"....

 

[FluffyChicken]

For the early Orange other than a mention of 71/72.5 degree angles, it best to find an article on it. They often mention them properly.

 

[rwm1962]

97 C16-R - same geo as 96.



I have a 19" 92 Elite but not compared it to my other 19" Orange models

 

[2manyoranges]

Ok frankly it's a nightmare. Later Orange models are listed on their very useful website, which has good archive geometry charts.

But the 1990s stuff....I had LOTS of P7s C16Rs and an aluminium EVO. Fluffy C is right, they measured frame size from the BB centre to TOP of seat tube, whilst real people were interested in the centre BB to centre TT length - which indeed makes the 17 a 15.5. And then there were the 'size' labels which were added to some bikes. S M L. The S was 13 inches centre to centre; (I had a P7 in this size and it was great for the From). My EVO was a lot later than the P7s, and the only difference was head angle and axle-crown length, which was quite a bit longer in the Evo.

 

[abr303]

97 C16-R - same geo as 96.

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I have a 19" 92 Elite but not compared it to my other 19" Orange models

Cheers....... where do they officially measure their frame size from? Your 19"Elite.... centre to top ?

 

[FluffyChicken]

Real people?

I measured all of mine centre to top, probably as all of the brands I bought measured that way.

I assume Orange, Rocky, Kona are not real enough in the MTB word.

To the tube centre was abandoned because top tube are not horizontal (unless it is of course, like a Marin, GT etc.)
Orange did it right ;-)

But that is why we tried to gather the different methods used in the Wiki.


SML is just plain silly.

 

[2manyoranges]

sorry ... was being flippant BUT....
Yep real people...as opposed to unreal people. Or the people who 1990s Orange marketing people thought existed but didn't.
For me, two measurements very important in the 90's re sizing: standover height (so centre BB to centre actual TT) alongwith Virtual Top Tube length (centre head tube to centre seat post horizontally).

Now, reach touted as the magic measurement, but Joy Of Bike now has the RAD number - the bb-handbar centre length. Oh how things change....

S M L indeed random and useless.